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Current game Round 1 : 2019 PBEM Duel Tournament #14  (Organisator Hiliadan) - PBEM Game

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Published on 2019-07-23 00:00:53

Sorry I can't give you examples of how foul play would occur because that would help people do it.

No, it doesn't set a precedent for player something different than the class/race sent because you reported it on turn 1 and you are not the one who made the decision to continue with it, judges did and allowed you because it's round 1 and it has no impact.

Published on 2019-07-22 23:50:49

@Hiliadan - Glad to see it added to the setup rules.

I don't understand what foul play could happen? The game has the wrong settings so I would assume we were supposed to rehost? Its not like we played half way through the game then realized the issue. I also don't understand why its as severe as not providing proof when reloading (which could clearly be someone cheating)? I also didn't find anything in the rules beyond rule #4 that covers "proof/warnings" and that only talks about reloads.

Also, doesn't this ruling indicate that selecting the wrong race/class than sent to the judges and then continuing to play the game would then be fine? And isn't that potentially setting a bad precedent? If the judges approved the race/class combo then shouldn't a player have to play that? Isn't that the point of providing it before starting the game?

I guess I'm trying to understand your perspective as well as understand what "warnings" really mean.

Published on 2019-07-22 23:18:01

A few days ago, I edited the rules to mention it after your misadventure:

But we can't allow a precedent where a player is allowed to rehost a game after opening his turn because that could allow fool play (in the future, for other players who would do the same and remind us we allowed it in your game). I'm not saying you did anything wrong and the warning does not mean you reloaded. We have 2 categories of warnings: equivalent to "with proof" or equivalent to "without proof". The 2nd obviously being more severe. You get an equivalent to without proof. Hopefully we won't have any more issue in your game and everything will go fine.
I understand what you say about the fact that the 1st time it was the right class/race but you also need to see it from Marcus or from our perspective: this time unfortunately you mistakenly chose the wrong one and changing it requires a rehost, which we can't allow without any consequence.

Published on 2019-07-22 23:09:54

@Hiliadan - I don't understand what "warning for a reload without proof" means? The game didn't crash, the settings for the game were just incorrect (wrong race/class) and I didn't start playing as I realized it as soon as I loaded it up. I also provided a video of it so there is proof. How else could I have the incorrect class/race?

I also correctly had hosted it the first time and chose the proper class/race the first time but I guess there is some timer bug that nothing anywhere seems to mention...

Published on 2019-07-22 22:57:30

Hi! So I checked the video and indeed when redrum enters the tourney game, he doesn't have the combo he sent us. Exceptionnally, since it's round 1 and the choice of combo has no influence, we decided that redrum could keep playing with the same combo if he decided to.
However, if he sticks to the combo he sent us, a rehost is necessary. But then redrum would get warning equivalent to warning for a reload without proof.

Please make sure to select the right Leader next time as this kind of situation is not ideal.

@redrum: so do you stay with this game or do you rehost (in which case, please do post screenshots in windowed mode).

Published on 2019-07-22 20:56:44

Alright. I'll rehost a new one this afternoon with the correct race/class and play my turn on this 1st one as well. 

Published on 2019-07-22 20:40:28

Sure, lets create another one and if they decide we play on the 1st one we can delete the other.
Post the screens here just to be safe as well.

Published on 2019-07-22 20:31:18

Yeah, not sure if there is anything we can do while we wait? Rules seem to indicate we have to wait for a ruling?

Maybe we can rehost another game and play that and the one with the wrong race/class in parallel and whichever they choose we then continue as the tourney game?

Or can the 2 of us just agree to either rehost it or play as it is with the incorrect race/class? Or do the tourney admins need to decide?

Published on 2019-07-22 12:37:44

Frustrating that we cant continue after 3 days. Maybe the holiday season means everything is at a standstill
I hope we get the time added to our match at least.

Published on 2019-07-19 18:14:58

@Hiliadan - Sent the PM with a video yesterday. Let me know how you'd like us to proceed.

Published on 2019-07-18 21:44:47

Could you please send a video to me and Jonny Thunder by private message showing your entry into the game and that you picked the wrong class/race? You can record through Bandicam or OBS for instance.
Sorry for that but in theory we never allow restart.

Published on 2019-07-18 20:31:53

@Hiliadan @marcuspers - I realized when I rehosted the game due to the turn timer issue that I selected the wrong class/race as I was trying to do it quickly yesterday. I haven't played my turn yet but marcuspers has so should I just rehost again? Sorry the whole PBEM hosting is kind of confusing.

Published on 2019-07-17 22:01:34

Ok. Boarding a plane. I should be able to click start this evening.

Published on 2019-07-17 21:32:45

joined, ready to start

Published on 2019-07-17 21:30:58

Whoops. I made it just 'redrum' this time. My bad.

Published on 2019-07-17 21:23:31

password redrum68 dont work.

I agree, not very nice with wrong settings, players dont show up for games etc.
Its really easy to not get the settings right to be honest.

Published on 2019-07-17 21:20:40

Hmm not the greatest first experience for PBEM... Did I miss that point of not setting the timer in the rules?

Anyways here is the new game which should be the same setting/password just named with #2:

Published on 2019-07-17 20:53:47

No, the damage is done.

Published on 2019-07-17 20:44:47

Will it work if I just disable the timer for now?

Published on 2019-07-17 08:09:06


Yes the session was started at 11pm CET yesterday, but when I try do my turn now this is the message I see:

When you have a timer on the first turn, and the host is not the first player, it's a known bug that expire the timer directly. You should rehost the match and not activate any timer until the first turn is played.
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