Recommended turn order based on play times:

not everyone, but defently plyrs like you

Oh, then you`re going to beat everyone 100/0 I think 

few games does not make me a pbem player yet, u'll notice when i become one

Dread if you played only LMP, I wouldn`t compare. But you play PBEM too. So you PBEM player. Eskild also PBEM player. I can compare 2 PBEM players, why not? 

No, I`m not giving you a rule, ask Hiliadan please.

read again, what i meant is that u cant compare skill between a live and pbem players. 
about the picking issue, we still on 1 round cooldown? can u give us your final rule about this so we wont waste practice on unecessary races and classes?

Dread I play 2 matches with you and 2 matches with Eskild, I can compare. 

I think it should not be an issue. The tournament starts on July 15 but then you've got 2 months to play your first match, so even if you start on August 7, you still have more than a month to play the match.
+ we can have extensions for the 1st round as it's Summer holidays.

AlX and I are unavailable from around the 20th of July to somewhere in August (around the 7th for the sake of me, earlier for AlX). I don´t know if that means we are out of the tournament. Maybe AlX should pair up with someone else - out of our "clan" - or what you call it - if this issue makes it non-feasible for us to participate together.

I've created a "final practice game" with a secondary/third line up.
If you also wan't to trial your second/third choices in a competetive game, please join!

Yes, it means neither me or Evgendil will play AD

ranking is not fair bcz it include both pbem and live mp, most of my wins are from Live mp tournament so u cant compare me to eskild

Remember to officially join the tournament here: http://www.the-battlefield.co... />Reminder: start date is 15 July

Also, feedback still needed to confirm or not the inclusion of the following changes in the v1.15 of the balance mod which will be used for the tournament. You can provide feedback here or on the official forum here: http://aow.triumph.net/forums... />
Ne04a
Inflict Despair causes "Holy Weakness" (non-stackable) and "Despair" (stackable) on the target and is strength 9 (non-stackable). Holy Weakness gives 30% Spirit weakness. Despair gives -200 morale. (was Inflict Despair is strength 10, causes "Despair": 20% Spirit weakness, -200 morale and stackable)
Ne09
Energy Drain has a spirit strength 10 chance of draining 75% of the target’s MP and is non-stackable (was 50% and stackable)
GC14
Amok the Beastfriend starts with Awaken Spirit (was Befriend Animal)
Velvet the Assassin’s Hero Slayer ability is correctly shown in Unit Panel (his skill only works against HERO units, not LEADER units)
Yarati the Spellstealer starts with Steal Enchantment

I opened a training game for the 2vs2 turney. Feel welcome to join if you are a team and want to practise against rrrrookie and me.

That is a good point Evgendil. It's far from a perfect number to use for balancing. But it is the best we have, though perhaps we could find a better solution. Honestly, it is probably too late to do for the 2v2 Tournament. I really wouldn't want to make a ton of work for the Admins. It would be a lot of work to put it together, and balance it before the 15th. You have to talk to everyone, resolve issues form the discussion, come up with a solid proposal, code it, have players test it to make sure we don't go too far. All that work, and I am still getting up to speed on the current settings.  Still I think maybe longterm it is something we should consider as the community matures and we kind of know where everyone stands.

I think ranking is not 100% representative. For example, Eskild 35 wins, 20 loses - 17 place, DreadReapr 9 wins, 7 loses - 14 place. I think Eskild more skilled player then DreadReapr and his statistic better, but now he has less points then Dread.

Cbower I understand that the game has problems with balance. It`s clear that everyone wants to win the tournament and so most players will use strongest combo. But it doesn`t scare me and doesn`t diminish my love for elves   Even if elves were weakest race I would still be playing them. 

Anyway, this is just my selfish opinion and I`m willing play by any reasonable rules adopted by majority of votes.

i vote that we cant pick race or class again until we picked all the rest. a real skilled player should be able to adjust to any race/class combo + it prevent players from picking stronger races and classes such as druid.

Obvious the specifics of the rates and the handicap should would discussed to try to get to a fair number. I just wanted to throw something out there for people to be able to visual it. My brother in laws bowls in a league and they do this sort of thing to start each season. I respect all the players on here. Most have very good experience in this game, and many know things about the game that I do not, it's just meant to add a little challenge and excitement. Here is an example of how it would work.



cbower 1217    Marky 1002
Hiliadan 1089  Blackcat 1000

2306           2002

handicap cbower

cbower 1217    Gabthegab 1322
Hiliadan 1089  Tussell 1032

2306           2354

no handicap

One last Suggestion then I leave the rules talk alone I promise.

I would like to add a specialization to the PBEM balance mod called handicap. It would be filled with with useless secret spells as spells like great hailstorm as well these three traits:

Slow Learner -50% xp for all player's actions for heroes and Leaders
Corruption  All players cities have -15% to gold/mana/population growth
Weakness - all player's units gain 10% physical weakness

We would combine the battlefield ranking points of both players and compare them against each other. If there is a 200 to 399 point difference then the top player would choose the handicap specialization, if there is a 400 point difference then both players would have to take the handicap specialization. 

My hope is this would close the gap between some of us, and create more competitive games. We should strive for a tournament where everyone feels like they have a chance to win. That makes it more exciting, I think. 

@Evgendil the rule is not my favorite either, I don't like rules that force players into something they may or may not be comfortable in. I want to play my opponent to be comfortable in their approach, it's good to face people at their best instead trying something. However, I do think such a rule is necessary. The races and classes are not balanced well. Necro and AD are much better other classes in my opinion, Dwarves end up being a very strong race. Halflings are my favorite, but they are pretty weak in PBEM. The PBEM mod tries to address these problems but I am not sure it is there yet. So without the rule I don't think I could handle playing or playing against dwarf necro repeatedly. It would just get too boring. I do like the idea of only being able to play each race and class once until you have played all races and classes. It would add an interesting meta game to the tournament. Trying to decide when and how to use a combination. However, such a rule would take a good deal of work to monitor, I am not sure it is realistic or fair to expect the judges keep track of everyone's choices for 7 rounds, and then check them against that inventory in each upcoming match.

My one suggestion on the rule would be this instead of making it a hard rule, we make it the default setting. Meaning that if you wanted to repeat a class or race you must announce your intention to your opponents that you would like to repeat a class or race. They in turn get the opportunity to repeat a class/race, choose the game settings of their choice, or refuse. (excluding map size and hero level) I firmly believe for the most part you can balance classes with game settings even Necro. We could even recommend certain anti class game settings for each class. Your opponent would then have the game settings advantage plus be able to try to build a counter class. It would just give the players more options. I like the fact that the game settings rules are all negotiable.

Honestly, I think that restrictions on play race and class is not needed. I prefer play Elf Archdruid every match. For me it`s like devotion to favourite football team. But unfortunately I respect the rules